Thursday, December 14, 2006

Muhammad in Jewish Scriptures ?!

Dr Zakir Naik,a famus muslim scolar in India, tell to his students that Muhammad is mentioned in the Jewish scripts.
The source is here:
http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/middle/judaism/1.htm#link

At the first time i heard about this concept,i laught...well i know the jewish scripts and never bumped into Muhammad...

The base to this theory is this verse:
I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (Deuteronomy 18:18)

If you ask evry little Jewish boy,he would say that the meaning of this verse is that there will be prophets from the Jewish people,so how could Dr Naik say that this verse talk about Muhammad?

This is Dr Naik explaination:
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac. The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

There's a verse ,few verses before,that say:
A prophet will the LORD thy God raise up unto thee, from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; (Deuteronomy 18:15)

So lets do a little exercise in reading comprehension :
Moses speak in front of the Jewish people and say to them that God will raise a prophet from the midst of them.
So is there any other way to understand it that this prophet will be from the Jewish people?!

I Can understand why Dr Naik brought the 18:18 Verse and not the 18:15-
In 18:15 Moses speak to the Jews,so there no room to say he ment to Ishmailies.
In 18:18 God Speak to Moses,So one without sharp eye won't notic...


The meaning of the word Brother


But lets go back to 18:18...
Can the word brethren can tolarate the interpataion that it means Ishmailies and not Jews?

When Moses speak about the relationship between Jews,he say brethren
There's a lot examples ,i will bring few:

1.And ye may make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession: of them may ye take your bondmen for ever; but over your brethren the children of Israel ye shall not rule, one over another, with rigour. (Leviticus 25:46)

2.thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose; one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not put a foreigner over thee, who is not thy brother.(Deuteronomy 17:15)

3.The priests the Levites, even all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion nor inheritance with Israel; they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and His inheritance. And they shall have no inheritance among their brethren; the LORD is their inheritance, as He hath spoken unto them.(Deuteronomy 18:1-2)

4.And Moses said unto the children of Gad and to the children of Reuben: 'Shall your brethren go to the war, and shall ye sit here? And wherefore will ye turn away the heart of the children of Israel from going over into the land which the LORD hath given them? (Numbers 32:6-7)



Do Jews and arabs are really brothers?


Another little thing Dr Naik didn't mentiond:
Abraham had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac.
Isaac had two sons : Jacob and Esau.
So if the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail and The Jews are the descendants of Jacob
that make them cousins not brothers...



Does Muhammad is like Moses?



Here Dr Naik give a very sharp observation:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is like Moses (pbuh):
i) Both had a father and a mother.
ii) Both were married and had children.
iii) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime.
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment.
v) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people.
vi) Both died a natural death.


So insdet of understand the prophet like moses In the immediate way -like moses,A Jew like moses,Dr Naik interpret it -like moses,Same biography.

So does Muhammad has the same biography as moses?
i)Moses was Jew,Muhammad wasn't
ii)Moses was raised as a prince,Muhammad was a trader

and above all:
iii)Muhammad was illiterate,Moses wasn't - And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Write this for a memorial in the book...' (Exodus 17:14)

and it will be easy to find more gap between Moses to Muhammad

Words in his Mouth



Another claim by Dr Naik is :

d) Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from God Almighty he repeated it verbatim.
Deuteronomy (18:18):
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."


We can find this kind of term about Prophet Jeremiah:

And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I: 'Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak; for I am a child.' But the LORD said unto me: say not: I am a child; for to whomsoever I shall send thee thou shalt go, and whatsoever I shall command thee thou shalt speak. Be not afraid of them; for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD. Then the LORD put forth His hand, and touched my mouth; and the LORD said unto me: Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth; (Jeremiah 1:4-9)

So we can find the exact terms of Deuteronomy (18:18) fulfilled in Jeremiah!

But for Muhammad we can see different term:

Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,- (2:97)

So who is more like "Words in his Mouth" ,Muhammad or Jeremiah ?

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon ?!



well that is the Joke of the year!
Dr Naik is trying to prove that Muhammad Name is in bible so he bring this verse,In Hebrew:
Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehrace Bayna Jerusalem. (Song of Songs 5:16)

What is Muhammadim - It's a word for candy...the im in the end of the word is for plural so it's candys...
Beside Hebrew and Arabic are cousin languages so finding word in bible that is similar to Arabic Name isn't surprising...
My Name is also in Bible:
And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon. (1 Kings 9:28)

So does that mean this blog was prophesy?

12 comments:

Pedro said...

Brilliant post ofir. Quite interesting.
Amazing how people can play with words and try to subvert the meanings.
You put it very well and simple. So simple a child could understand.

By he way im Pedro, the Guy that created the Inter-religious debate community.

In a personal note.. Ofir is a name of a small fishing village 40km north from Porto, the city where i live.
Maybe the prophecy was about ofir a small town in the Esposende County, known for its glorious beach with the cold and powerful waters of the atlantic... Know by the river, the woods and natural beauty.
And also know by the Pacha's Club- Ofir, the same one like in Ibiza, somekind of Modern Sodoma of Dance and Trance Music in the north of Portugal...
Its all linked... From Ofir, i go to Sodoma... and the bible seems to have prophecies about everything...

Maybe ill start a new tesis.. And have a mega selling sucess with a new book..
Unfortunelly it wont come on time for Christmas... i would be rich...

Sorry for all this non-sense, but those theories u criticize, can only be taken in an humorous form...
Because they are absolutely comic.

Take care and keep up the good work.

solss said...

'im' is the plural form of respect in the hebrew language. Not the plural for numbers. elohim? plural form of respect for God. Don't be foolish.

zaigham_dar said...

deut 18:15
A prophet will the LORD thy God raise up unto thee, from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
it says UNTO HIM(read its unto him and not them)YE SHALL HEARKEN...this means this verse is pertinent to ONE ...if its among israilites then which one out of many isralites prophets this one is...

also read deut 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.

what ever muhammad (pbuh) spoke came to truth thus fulfilling the prophecy

Saad said...

"Another little thing Dr Naik didn't mentiond:
Abraham had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac.
Isaac had two sons : Jacob and Esau.
So if the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail and The Jews are the descendants of Jacob
that make them cousins not brothers..."

You are the greatest retard on this planet. Even the kids of Ishmail and Isaac are cousins of each other, you dunderhead stupid son of a.... I swear, it makes me extremely angry when people write this shit and i have to waste my time on it.. F*** you.

Katîb said...

MashaAllah :)

Eko said...

hi All

As you claim to be "familiar" with Hebrew, let us commence...

Being "familiar" with Hebrew, you should know that the word translated as "altogether lovely", is in fact used in other parts of the Bible.

Now seeing that you appear to imagine that Hameed is right, you must then agree with Hameed's translation of other verses of the Bible (as they MUST refer to [mohmd], as the same word is used).

"Yet I will send my servants to thee tomorrow about this time, and they shall search thy house, and the houses of thy servants and it shall be, [that] whatever is Muhammad in thy eyes, they shall take [it] in their hand, and carry [it] away." (I Kings 20:6)

"Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our [muhammad] things are laid waste." (Isaiah 64:11)

"Son of Man, behold, I take away from thee the [muhammad] of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down." (Ezekiel 24:16)

"Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly [muhammad] things: The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border." (Joel 3:5-6)

LOL! The Joel text is CLASSIC as [muhammad] is used in reference to PAGAN temples...LOL! How accurate!

Seriously, James, in every language, we make a distinction between "proper nouns" and "adjectives". Any educated person knows this.

I have not stopped laughing.

Take care.

thedon said...

OK i have alot to say but wont because all i get back from any missionaries doesnt make sense or doesnt even go with what the bible says,
lets keep it simple lets start with abraham who was born in UR OF CHALDEANS,here i know chrstians will think i am lying its in your own bible, GENESIS 11:31 PLZ GO AND READ IT
"Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Haran, they settled there." GENESIS 11:31

HERE UNLIKE MOST CHRISITANS i will tell you i got this from the NIV NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BIBLE just so you lot know i aint lying, now ur of chaldeans is where abraham was born it is now IRAQ and no b4 you say anything i aint saying his an arab just implying more arab than jew lol, but in fact he was a hebrew dont get it mixed up for jew as i will tell you where the word jew came from

The nick name JEW was given to judah and his descendants JUDAH was 1 of the twelve tribes of israel(JACOB) twelve tribes of israel = JACOBS twelve sons,
JAcob had his name changed in the bible after wrestling with an angel here check it up GENESIS 32:28 FROM NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BIBLE
GENESIS 32:28
" Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."

OK SO only judahs descendantds were called the name jew, the descendants of JACOB (ISRAEL) were calles ISRAELITES NOT JEWS dont get them mixed up
and to know what moses was well oh look it is in your own bible
lol
EXODUS 6:16-20
16 These were the names of the sons of Levi according to their records: Gershon, Kohath and Merari. Levi lived 137 years.

17 The sons of Gershon, by clans, were Libni and Shimei.

18 The sons of Kohath were Amram, Izhar, Hebron and Uzziel. Kohath lived 133 years.

19 The sons of Merari were Mahli and Mushi.
These were the clans of Levi according to their records.

20 Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.

AGAIN TAKEN FROM THE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BIBLE (NIV)

so what was moses he was an ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF levite not a JEW BUT LEVITE becuase moses was not descended from JUDAH only judahs descendandts were nickd named jew and then called jews

now i could go on as to how about muhammed pbuh could be the prophet of deuts 18:18 but i will leave it to you all to do your own true research and finally wake up on deuts 18:18 and claims that moses was a jew lol ridiculous but i odnt really care about deuts 18:18
and heres what you had to say about it

"Moses speak in front of the Jewish people and say to them that God will raise a prophet from the midst of them.
So is there any other way to understand it that this prophet will be from the Jewish people?!"

moses spoke to ISRAELITES NOT JEWS

AND LOL I SEE you twist the facts, we muslims said to you christians if on the fact you say moses and jesus both jews and both prophets if on these two criterias alone you put forward jesus for being the perophet of deut 18:18 then why did you never consider all these other prophets after moses
which were
SOLOMON,ISAIAH,EZEKIEL,DANIEL,HOSEA,JOEL,MALACHI,JOHN THE BAPTIST ETC ALL THESE WERE JEWS AND PROHPETS
but no you ascribed it to jesus why because your churches make you think that jesus pbuh died for your salvation, thats why you lot have misunderstood the bible so much just as the disciples of jesus pbuh never really understood what he had said, read your own bible how many times after jesus supposedly speaks that you get someone saying but the discples were ocnfused- they didnt know what jesus meant-
read the bible properly and not what you hear in church even though let me tell you this much i aint saying this to say to you that muhammed in the bible i dont have to prove islam right because i know it is i am just trying to help you lot undertsand that what your bible actually tecahes you your churches dont
dont say trinity
dont use begtooten son you know begotten was the mistranslated greek word of MONOGENES "MONO meaning "one" and "GENES" meaning "kind or race" not begotten son in some bible the word had been changed to only and only son or only son sooner or later inshallah you will stop saying one and only and only son and realise jesus pbuh was man and not the son of god of god

here the only sign he gave to the resurrection was the sign of jonah AM I RIGHT THE SIGN OF "JONAH"
read up on the sign of JONAH
JONAH WAS NVER DEAD WHEN HE WENT OVER BOARD JONAH WAS NEVER DIED PRAYING IN THE BELLY OF THE WHALE JONAH WAS NEVER DEAD WHEN THE WHALE VOMITTED HIM ON TO LAND, JONAH WAS ALIVE ALIVE ALIVE NOT DEAD AND DONT SAY WHAT JESUS MEANT when he said "as jonah was for 3days and 3 nights as shall the son of man"
because here let me explain the killed him on fri even and his supposed empty cave where mary went to itand the stone had been moved was sunday morning
its why you lot have good friday becuase u believe its a good day for u because that when jesus died for ur salvation so you say
now fri night =(1night), saturday morning =(1 (morning), saturday night =( 1 night) , sunday morning = (1 morning) now add up the nights and mornings what does it ocme too it comes too

2NIGHTS
+
2 MORNINGS

NOT THE SAME AS 3DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS AND ANY WAY JONAH WAS ALIVE ALIVE ALIVE AND NOT DEAD,

I AM GONNA GO WILL LEAVE YOU ALL TO IT AINT GONNA BE BACK ON HERE BECAUSE I NEVER GET ANSWERS FORM PEOPLE WOH WALK AROUND BLINDED I DONT MEAN ANY OFFENCE BUT U LOT SHOULD ACTUALLY STUDY THE BIBLE AND LEARN FROM IT

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Shaikh Mohammed Zaid said...

Mr Ophir/Pedro

u explained the meanings
but u missed to explain

the whole meaning of this
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehrace Bayna Jerusalem. (Song of Songs 5:16)"

please explain us :)

Mohammed said...

if some one desends from abraham then why should u go to the next hierarchy level ??? u r just misleading.... and the most important part of arguing with others religion is to know ur own religion first. lets assume Mohammad (pbuh) was not that prophet that is described in both bible and torah , then who is that prophet that you are talking about?? and when he will come???? basic thing that you should understand at first is that neither Bible nor Torah are in thair original form... over years words have been modified , except for one hollybook that never changed a single alphabet over such a long period. ok now talk about the miracles that you demand for being a prophet that has to be simmiliar as moses... but you guys tell me does all the prophet before and after moses came had the same exceptional power as Moses had?
guys dont argue about any religion without knowing it first and try to know your own religion first ... u will know what is true what is false .....

Yahya said...

Well. One small point here. If muhammad is taken to mean lovely and then what would you use to refer to a person - muhammadim? Isn't that a very clear concept? In english Brown and the person Brown would be very easily distinguished by putting it as - Mr. Brown.
If Im is the respected form wouldn't adding it just clear up the whole concept of reference to a person?

Anonymous said...

The prophecy tells about Ahmad; 'Servant of God' whom will war to correct the wrongs and bringing judgement based on the law of God. He will also liberate Arabia from worshiping molten images. Wilderness (desert), villages and cities will glorify God since then. As can be seen today, whole of Arabia are worshiping,praising God and singing words of God daily.

And we continue reading Isaiah 42:18 - 25; about Children of Israel, whom will still be deaf and blind neglecting the message brought by this 'Servant of God'.
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In Isaiah 42:1, it is not a coincidence upon seeing the writing of both אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmd). And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abedi~My Servant). For indeed, It is indicating Ahmad; Abedallah (Ahmad; Servant of God).

Not to mention אתמך (Atmc) is a special term foretelling the coming of a righteous man and is used only ONCE throughout the entire Book. [could this be a copying error or an intended error?]

Children of Israel have been foretold upon the coming of Ahmad but sadly, only a few accepts.