Monday, December 04, 2006

Confirm The jewish scripts 2:41

O Children of Israel, remember My favor, which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your part of the covenant, that I fulfill My part of the covenant, and reverence Me.
You shall believe in what I have revealed herein, confirming what you have; do not be the first to reject it. Do not trade away My revelations for a cheap price, and observe Me. (2:40-41)

Muhammad want to convince the jews to join his religion.His strategy to show the jews he's not founding a new religion but he is the successor of the jewish prophets.

In this verse Muhammad accept the Jewish scripts-confirming what you have

So does it mean Muhammad confirm the Jewish script,that jews possess nowadays ?

Sura Al-Baqara is a Madinan sura which were revealed at Madina about the year 622 .

How can we know if the jewish scripts today are the scripts were in Muhammad time?

Today jewish and christians have the same verse of the Jewish scripts,Jewish call them-Tanach(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanach) , christians call them - The old Testement(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testement).

The Church in year 364 had the The Council of Laodicea,produced a list of books of the Old Testament that accepted as canon.(http://reluctant-messenger.com/council-of-laodicea.htm).

Another council was the Council of Rome in 382 gave us the complete list of the books of the Old Testament(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Rome).

Since 380 the jews and christians have the same books of the jewish scripts.

If Muhammad confirmed the jewish scripts in 622,So unless the jews and christians had a plot altogether to change the jewish scripts,the jewish scripts nowadays are the same scripts Muhammad confirmed!

23 comments:

ענת said...

אופיר יקר, מרשים אוד! במרכז היו גאים בך...

hamzazuberi said...

The Quran confirms the REVELATION of the Jewish scriptures, but nowhere does it confirm the authenticity of the translations of the translations that existed at the time the Quran was revealed

oshoval said...

hamzazuberi-you said:
The Quran confirms the REVELATION of the Jewish scriptures but Muhammad say it clearly-Confirm the scripts!!!you added the word REVELATION

self said...

but Muhammad say it clearly

The Quran is all God's word. Muhammad didn't write the Quran.

Confirm the scripts!!!you added the word REVELATION

And you added the word "scripts". I mean, you haven't quoted any verse that says "scripts", have you? A revelation from God cannot itself be corrupt, but written and interpreted versions ("scripts") can be corrupted.

Since 380 the jews and christians have the same books of the jewish scripts.

That is incorrect.

sana said...

2:41
‏2:41 وامنوا بما انزلت مصدقا لما معكم ولاتكونوا اول كافر به ولاتشتروا باياتي ثمنا قليلا واياي فاتقون



the revelation is confirmation of which "they have with them". confirmation means both should be similar thats why anzalta does not stands for scriptures here but same to what they have , nothing new.

djmantx said...

Muslims, The Qu'ran is confirming the revelation the Jews HAVE present tense. God's revelation is what is written..Are you aware of any revelation that the prophets did not write or are you suggesting the Qu'ran is not the revelation Allah gave to Muhammad or he did not completely record the revelation in the Qu'ran?
The Qu'ran is according to the Qu'ran the revelation of Allah to Muhammad2:41 is clearly saying accept this revelation Jews it agrees with the revealtion you HAVE.
This revelation is the Qu'ran the revelation that the Jews had was the Torah and the books of the prophets and the Psalms.
Don't try to change the word of Allah this is not the only place the Qu'ran says that it confirms previous scriptures, The Qu'ran is clear that is believes it is in agreement with the previous word of God...And why wouldnt it be? Allah claims to be the same God.
The real problem you have in accepting this is you know it isnt in agreement with previous scriptures though it calims to be.

far38 said...

As per ayat of Allah , with all the prophets , came for mankind , revealed Al-kitab, which in singular with prophets which are in plural. so Quran is not discussing any book other than book of Allah which is one and have many attributes like Quran furqan burhan sultan taurat injeel zaboor.etc...these are not different books but attributes of same Al-kitab.

far38 said...

all ayats in Quran are talking about Al-kitab and the words injeel taurat are explained in 5:46,47 , injeel means sermon for muttaqeen and 5:44 taurat is a guidence for mankind and revealed with prophets in plural with moosa pbuh alone.
so concept of 4 bpooks is not Quranic but other than Quran.

djmantx said...

far38 Perhaps I'm not understanding your interpretation.
Are you saying that before Muhammad received his revelation the Jews had the Qu'ran?
Sir regardless of your interpretation the revelation God gave Moses is the Torah. When 241 says this revelation (Qu'ran) confirms the revelation you HAVE.
It is not dificult to undertand the simple meaning.

sana said...

Quran is not confirming any where in Quran the jewish scripture.
no where in Quran translation is written that Moosa pbuh given torah...but in interpritations u will find this.

> all ayats in Quran are talking about Al-kitab and the words
> injeel
> taurat are explained in 5:46,47 , injeel means sermon for
> muttaqeen and
> 5:44 taurat is a guidence for mankind and revealed with
> prophets in
> plural with moosa pbuh alone.
> so concept of 4 bpooks is not Quranic but other than Quran.
>

djmantx said...

2:40. O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone

2:40 Children of Israel (JEWS)
2:41 believe what I reveal (Qu'ran)
confirming the revelation you HAVE.

The revelation the Jews had is the revelation the Christians and Jews have now.
Feel free to read these scriptures and see the Qu'ran does not confirm our revelation.

far38 said...

please note no where in Quran is reffering previous books introduced by scholors.
please try to understand with the Arabic text of Quran with out using brackets in translation.
2:40 u have used "jews" which is not written in Arabic text of Quran.
in 2:41 u have written the word "Quran".
just pobder in 2:41 which word is reffereing as Quran, obviously "anzalta" but anzalta is confirming what they have with them, meaning both are same if both are not same than cannot confirm each other....

far38 said...

respe ted friend, realy not difficult easy meaning of text of Quran.these are the scholors propagating concept of 4 books in the name of Quran.
In Quran no where in Quran is written that Allah has revealed books b4 Quran. please reqad first 2:213 The book word in Arabic is singular and prophets word is in plural.
then read plz 2:185 where Quran is guidence for mankind that means it must be there where the mankind lives to guide mankind...sir this is not interpritation but translation of ayats. interpritation mis propagating previous revealed books ion the name of Quran.

djmantx said...

far38 I have yet to meet a Muslim who does not know that Allah claims to be the God if the Torah and Injeel and Psalms. Yous say there are no scriptures form the God of Abraham before the Qu'ran?
The Qu'ran speaks of these througout. Revealtion for Allah is described as the Qu'ran to Muhamamd. Torah to Moses. Gospel to Jesus. Allah claims all of these. I would tend to agree wiht you the Qu'ran is the only book of Allah...but Allah calims otherwise.

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Asea95 said...

The Quran confirms the REVELATION of the Jewish scriptures, but nowhere does it confirm the authenticity of the translations of the translations that existed at the time the Quran was revealed because at Prophet Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him )time the Jewish scripture was already been corrupted by ist own followers ,the prove is it changed many times..so it is not anymore accepted by Allah s.w.t . Thats why Allah send Prophet Muhammad as The final Messenger to the humanity and to guide them in the true path of Islam.

Carol Gluzman said...

Jewish, Christian and Islam are one religion, as a tree with 3 branches.
Elohim/God/Allah is not the property of humans. The humans are his property
and asked to be his obedient slaves.
By recognizing all the prophets from Abraham, Moses to Jesus, it's obvious that the Quran confirms the Tora.
Hatred and conflicts between jews, christians and muslins were and are caused by poluted politics and biz interests

far38 said...

i agree with your point "Jewish, Christian and Islam are one religion, as a tree with 3 branches.".
but instead of muslim would add the word labled muslims and not muslim to Allah.
Quran Discuss the word Taurat of Arabic meaning Law, and not the hebrew word Torah meaning instructions/teachings.
Quran does not tell that Taurat is given to Moosa pbuh Alone
Here is the confusion due to to same words in Arabic and hebrew..

djmantx said...

Sorry but no. You guys need to study your book. Quran refers to the Torah and Gospel as books and as books the Jews and Christians HAVE at the time the revelation of Quran was given. You have a problem. There are text of these predating the Quran and we know well the text of these books and the Quran is not in agreement with these as it claims to be.. making your book obviously incorrect. The Jews Christians and Muslims are NOT one religion neither is Allah the God of the Torah or the Gospel as he claims but clearly disagrees with God.
I know you must somehow find a way to make this work but study of scripture shows your problem.
The God of Abraham warns against the teachings of Islam as antichrist. The Allah of Islam claims to be this same God with a different teaching, no way to make this work my Muslim friends.

far38 said...

1-Quran discuss the Arabic word At-Taurat (meaning The Law) and not Hebrew Torah (meaning teaching/instruction).
may be you have confusion regarding these two words.
please read below mentioned verse of Quran which contains these two words i.e Taurat and injeel.
Injeel is the "guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah"

Easa pbuh has in his hand taurat which is the confirmation of taurat and not rejection of taurat.
i.e both are one and same and not different books.
وقفينا علي اثارهم بعيسي ابن مريم مصدقا لما بين يديه من التوراة واتيناه الانجيل فيه هدي ونور ومصدقا لما بين يديه من التوراة وهدي وموعظة للمتقين
وَقَفَّيْنَا عَلَى آثَارِهِم بِعِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ الْإِنجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدًى وَنُورٌ وَمُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَهُدًى وَمَوْعِظَةً لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
Yousuf Ali And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel(injeel): therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
2-The existance and revelation are two different things, The Book of Allah was present at the time of prophet Mohammad pbuh, and revealed on prophet mohammad.
i.e revelation is from the book which was existing and present in the hands of people. 2:101,ولما جاءهم رسول من عند الله مصدق لما معهم نبذ فريق من الذين اوتوا الكتاب كتاب الله وراء ظهورهم كانهم لا يعلمون
وَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ رَسُولٌ مِّنْ عِندِ اللّهِ مُصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَهُمْ نَبَذَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ كِتَابَ اللّهِ وَرَاءَ ظُهُورِهِمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ

Yousuf Ali And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!
second ref from Quran for the Book was there in the hands of people. 5:15

there is great confusion about taurat and injeel.

djmantx said...

far38, the confusion is yours alone. It is much easier than simply accepting there is a problem. Jewish scriptures Torah and Christian scriptures Gospel existed before the Quran. The Quran confirms these as the word of Allah that by the way can't be changed. Allah instructs Muhammad if he has doubts about the revelation he was receiving he should check with those who read the previous scriptures. The Quran confirms the previous scriptures and claims they confirm the Quran.... problem being these scriptures disagree with the teachings of the Quran.

far38 said...

No confusion, Quran does not discuss any book before Allah's only book Quran exists to guide mankind, 2:185.
i.e since day one Quran is there to guide mankind .
There is not a single ayat in Quran as you have told regarding asking with those who are reading scriptures.
scriptures have nothing to do with the teaching of Quran that is why they disagree with the teaching of Quran.